Bug 5132 - Terminology: "Logging" instead of "Debugging"
: Terminology: "Logging" instead of "Debugging"
Status: CLOSED FIXED
Product: Logitech Media Server
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Web Interface
: 6.5.2
: All All
: P1 enhancement (vote)
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Assigned To: Michael Herger
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Blocks:
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Reported: 2007-06-22 10:06 UTC by Jim McAtee
Modified: 2008-12-18 11:12 UTC (History)
1 user (show)

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Attachments
EN changes (6.51 KB, patch)
2007-06-26 22:37 UTC, KDF
Details | Diff
add --log parameter (1.72 KB, patch)
2007-10-24 08:43 UTC, Michael Herger
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Description Jim McAtee 2007-06-22 10:06:59 UTC
Just a suggestion on the terminology used in the web ui.  The term "debugging", IMO, has more nitty-gritty, nuts-and-bolts, beta-testing implications than if you simply referred to it as "logging".  From the typical consumer end-user's viewpoint, I think having myriad "debugging" settings exposed raises some mental flags that using the term "logging" would not.  Virtually anyone can understands the need for an application to do logging.  But few want anything to do with debugging the application.
Comment 1 Chris Owens 2007-06-26 12:10:55 UTC
Dean, do you have an opinion on this?
Comment 2 Blackketter Dean 2007-06-26 12:17:09 UTC
Logging sounds great to me.
Comment 3 KDF 2007-06-26 22:37:42 UTC
Created attachment 2057 [details]
EN changes

obviously all of the other languages need to be done through the translation dept.
Comment 4 KDF 2007-08-23 12:29:50 UTC
Having used this patch for the last couple months, I have to say I hate it.  It's not as simple as terminology.  --debug command line needs to change or its just painful thinking of the feature in dual forms.  It also needs to be rewritten so that the token use is changed so that the page handlers  get the right page and sort correctly.  I'm not planning to work up such a patch, as I really not buying in on the results.
Comment 5 Blackketter Dean 2007-10-22 17:13:16 UTC
make "logging" a synonym for "debugging" on the command line.  We need to change the web UI to be more friendly.
Comment 6 Michael Herger 2007-10-23 12:36:45 UTC
Just a linguistical question: should "--debug" become "--log" or "--logging"?
Comment 7 Michael Herger 2007-10-24 08:43:15 UTC
Created attachment 2312 [details]
add --log parameter

kdf - am I naiv in thinking that it would be enough to just add a startup parameter --log, and use this instead of debug if debug is not defined?

Internally it's all still debug, but the interface (CLI & GUI) is changed to --log
Comment 8 KDF 2007-10-24 22:42:36 UTC
that could work.  I'm not set up to easily run command line any more (prefsdirs, cachedirs are hard to manage, not to mention the discovery problems with using the --*port options) I can hopefully try tomorrow if I can manage to find this again by then :)

thinking about it, as much as I'm loathe to re-term purely for the sake of "user friendly" (note the sarcasm as it tends to so easily become "dumbing down" for some)...I think I'd go with 'logging' as the option as it at least has a ring of consistency (well, ok, only for EN but that's the language we write the code in)
Comment 9 Michael Herger 2007-10-25 02:49:36 UTC
Change 14082 - replacing "debugging" with "logging". The two startup parameters are equivalent, with --logging taking precedence over --debug if both are set.
Comment 10 Chris Owens 2008-03-07 09:04:15 UTC
This bug is being closed since it was resolved for a version which is now released!  Please download the new version of SqueezeCenter (formerly SlimServer) at http://www.slimdevices.com/su_downloads.html

If you are still seeing this bug, please re-open it and we will consider it for a future release.