Bug 12537 - Need to add dropdrop background asset for supporting text
: Need to add dropdrop background asset for supporting text
Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME
Product: SB Radio
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Setup
: Include FW version in comment
: All Other
: P2 major (vote)
: MPQ
Assigned To: ndijulio
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Depends on:
Blocks:
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Reported: 2009-06-25 16:39 UTC by ndijulio
Modified: 2009-09-08 09:11 UTC (History)
1 user (show)

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Ref artwork - supporting text background (79.59 KB, image/png)
2009-06-25 16:41 UTC, ndijulio
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Ref artwork - illustrating effect with lighter wallpaper (69.35 KB, image/png)
2009-06-25 16:45 UTC, ndijulio
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Ref artwork - w/ vertical divider (63.20 KB, image/png)
2009-06-25 17:01 UTC, ndijulio
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Ref artwork - w/ dropdown fade applied to right edge (63.94 KB, image/png)
2009-06-25 19:33 UTC, ndijulio
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Ref artwork - 2 (44.75 KB, image/png)
2009-06-25 19:36 UTC, ndijulio
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Ref artwork - no drop down bkgrd (163.43 KB, image/png)
2009-06-26 08:53 UTC, ndijulio
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Ref artwork - extending dd bkgrd to edge (73.15 KB, image/png)
2009-06-26 08:54 UTC, ndijulio
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Ref artwork - dropdown w/ SB (52.72 KB, image/png)
2009-06-30 10:26 UTC, ndijulio
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Ref artwork - dropdown w/ SB 2 (55.56 KB, image/png)
2009-06-30 10:26 UTC, ndijulio
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Ref artwork - dropdown no SB (52.27 KB, image/png)
2009-06-30 10:26 UTC, ndijulio
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Comparison 3 diff treatments (360.44 KB, image/png)
2009-06-30 22:24 UTC, ndijulio
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Description ndijulio 2009-06-25 16:39:40 UTC
asset can be found:

assets >QVGASkin >Titlebar >tb_dropdwn_bkrgd.png
Comment 1 ndijulio 2009-06-25 16:41:49 UTC
Created attachment 5364 [details]
Ref artwork - supporting text background

This also brings up the question should we add a vertical divider line btwn the content area and the scroll bar.  With the decision to have the entire page scroll it introduces an odd layout with the scroll bar above the dropdown.
Comment 2 ndijulio 2009-06-25 16:45:00 UTC
Created attachment 5365 [details]
Ref artwork - illustrating effect with lighter wallpaper
Comment 3 ndijulio 2009-06-25 17:01:34 UTC
Created attachment 5366 [details]
Ref artwork - w/ vertical divider
Comment 4 Blackketter Dean 2009-06-25 17:10:03 UTC
why not a fade on the right, like the selection highlight?
Comment 5 ndijulio 2009-06-25 19:33:20 UTC
Created attachment 5370 [details]
Ref artwork - w/ dropdown fade applied to right edge
Comment 6 ndijulio 2009-06-25 19:36:58 UTC
Created attachment 5371 [details]
Ref artwork - 2
Comment 7 ndijulio 2009-06-25 19:42:15 UTC
The fade when applied to the right edge of the dropdown is distracting.  It becomes the highest point of contrast on screen and draws unwanted attention away from the content.  For Baby/Jive I have concerns how the LCD with render the gradient.  My fear is that it will render 'dirty' and not a true fade...
Comment 8 Blackketter Dean 2009-06-25 20:37:50 UTC
Ok, then how about nothing in the background, but make sure the text has a shadow on it?  

Or, have the dark background extend behind the scroll bar all the way across the screen?
Comment 9 ndijulio 2009-06-26 08:53:54 UTC
Created attachment 5372 [details]
Ref artwork - no drop down bkgrd
Comment 10 ndijulio 2009-06-26 08:54:55 UTC
Created attachment 5373 [details]
Ref artwork - extending dd bkgrd to edge
Comment 11 Blackketter Dean 2009-06-26 08:58:00 UTC
Re: Ref artwork - no drop down bkgrd  --- Is there a shadown on the text?  there should be.  This is exactly the same problem as large scrolling pages of text, which seems to work fine on Controller now.
Comment 12 ndijulio 2009-06-26 09:20:53 UTC
Si, there is a drop shadow on the text.  The wallpaper was selected as a worst case.  Having the drop down bkgrd serves 2 purposes:

1. Ties the information to the titlebar and suggests that the information is supporting.

2. Helps will legibility as we do not control the wallpaper.

My recommendation would be to keep the drop down bkgrd and try to solve this minor visual problem of the unrefined edge.
Comment 13 Blackketter Dean 2009-06-26 09:24:19 UTC
The shadow in your reference image is very different than the one implemented on the controller, which works for very light backgrounds.  Are you sure we want to reinvent this?
Comment 14 Ben Klaas 2009-06-30 09:25:43 UTC
Noah, can you comment on Dean's last comment and then assign over to me?

I'm intending on going forward with your new design within the next 48hrs.
Comment 15 ndijulio 2009-06-30 09:48:48 UTC
Sorry this posting was moved off-line via email.  Dean and I looked at several options to treat the right edge.  The final decision was to use a fade edge (2 tile asset) for the drop down.

Dean, the only modification is that the assets will not go beneath the scroll bar.  The reason being on touch the selection menu bar needs to be isolated from the sbar area.  We found during beta testing that users were selecting near the arrow, thus the scrollbar and menu selection bar cannot overlap.  Posting screen comp for reference...
Comment 16 ndijulio 2009-06-30 10:26:00 UTC
Created attachment 5389 [details]
Ref artwork - dropdown w/ SB
Comment 17 ndijulio 2009-06-30 10:26:25 UTC
Created attachment 5390 [details]
Ref artwork - dropdown w/ SB 2
Comment 18 ndijulio 2009-06-30 10:26:53 UTC
Created attachment 5391 [details]
Ref artwork - dropdown no SB
Comment 19 Blackketter Dean 2009-06-30 13:13:56 UTC
I'm confused by your statement:

Dean, the only modification is that the assets will not go beneath the scroll
bar.  The reason being on touch the selection menu bar needs to be isolated
from the sbar area.  We found during beta testing that users were selecting
near the arrow, thus the scrollbar and menu selection bar cannot overlap. 
Posting screen comp for reference...

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The layer order is a side effect of the way we want it to look and if the arrows are too close to the scroll bar, then a overlay vs fade doesn't really matter.

I'm disappointed with the fade effect as rendered here.  It visually takes up too much space, and looks cobbled on.  Can you show the same three screens with no fade (i.e. scroll bar over flat darkened area) and with a narrower width fade?
Comment 20 ndijulio 2009-06-30 22:01:43 UTC
Part of the issue you are seeing with the way the fade effect is rendered is that the previous screen shots have a DITHER applied to them.  It will naturally look less smooth that a true gradient.
Comment 21 ndijulio 2009-06-30 22:24:21 UTC
Created attachment 5393 [details]
Comparison 3 diff treatments

opt 1: 12px fade applied to right edge of dropdown bkgrd + selection menu item

opt 2: no fade applied to dropdown bkgrd, 24px fade applied to menu item (current)

opt 3: overlap scrollbar, no fade applied to dropdown bkgrd, 24px fade applied to menu item (current)
Comment 22 Chris Owens 2009-07-07 10:15:04 UTC
This bug has been identified as one that may not be required for MPQ since it now seems clear that MPQ and MP firmwares will be different.  Please comment if you disagree with this assessment.  Thanks!
Comment 23 ndijulio 2009-07-07 10:40:33 UTC
Of the 16 bugs that were shuffled it is necessary to have some form of drop down background in place for MPQ.  The UI will look broken without it.
Comment 24 ndijulio 2009-07-08 15:18:07 UTC
Fade removed from skin. Setting bug to fixed.  Please reopen if necessary.